Received: from smtpin-3303.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.161) by storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:36:04 -0700 Received: from meredith.dementia.org (meredith.dementia.org [128.2.235.26]) by smtpin-3303.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 3AEC965F70; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meredith.dementia.org (meredith.dementia.org [128.2.235.26]) by meredith.dementia.org (8.13.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id p2T8KxrC011590; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:20:59 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list milwaukee-electric); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by meredith.dementia.org (8.13.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id p2T8KvGF011581 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:20:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1301386857; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=2uAUrKQKAIhHVkueiSHa4hPaCIk=; b=QyTSgnkOCADTCw6MvLP60lcm5+fzE8I3/I6u+Kr6jr8RWF/rolZZFUyU7uRSdsvB RVJHbcO9yy3v2JPcawGjgDvQI9QrGjNAaamp59TIu5Nkhjx5lUa35kgQ4yWaTwTp; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=A8sMmmsQPF1fwWuM17z3Dj+lgh3CRuHhKHpvMFefoLU= c=1 sm=0 a=k4IqKyuW9VwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=YiksLSi9UT7O+SI6ZxQbsw==:17 a=hnGMOUBTAAAA:8 a=28zexAvQAAAA:8 a=wC_twAXYL55Y12_f0PIA:9 a=1Vnd3ffgI-_IVeTugDL-crIhjucA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HUIUdC8JSw8A:10 a=YiksLSi9UT7O+SI6ZxQbsw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ktjosephson@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [69.69.88.60] ([69.69.88.60:27565] helo=KTJosephson) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPA id A4/4E-23126-866919D4; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0BBC44B30A08425A8068A54392E3900F@KTJosephson> From: "Ken and Tracie" To: References: <4521-4D91888F-3258@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: National City Lines. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:20:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (***) FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6rc1 (meredith.dementia.org [128.2.235.26]); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:21:01 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: Sender is SPF-compliant, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6rc1 (meredith.dementia.org [128.2.235.26]); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:20:58 -0500 (EST) X-archive-position: 718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: milwaukee-electric-bounce@lists.dementia.org Errors-To: milwaukee-electric-bounce@lists.dementia.org X-original-sender: ktjosephson@embarqmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milwaukee-electric@lists.dementia.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: milwaukee-electric X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Exactly. And unfortunately, the die was cast during the mid to late 1930s. Economic realities and social changes aside, the region lost a great asset. I believe this was realized by the late 1950s when some commuters, with other rail alternatives, fought tooth and nail to save the doomed North Shore Line. There was even talk among proponents of NSL retention of doing away with the NSL's street running within Milwaukee and placing the rails into the median of I-94, some saying it could serve as the Genesis of a new local rapid transit system. One line which doesn't seem to get much recognition in retrospect was the Milwaukee Northern Division. I am well acquainted with the region it once served. Today, I would not be surprised if that line would be packed with commuters, even if they were commuting from Port Washington, Grafton, Cedarburg, Mequon to and from the North Shore suburbs. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don L. Leistikow" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:21 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: National City Lines. > Ken: I've heard both arguements pro and con, on the topic of NCL behind > the demolition of Milwaukee strretcars, et al. > > I've yet to fand any connection with TM and NCL. The only possible > connection, albeit remote, would be from of through a connection > stemming from KMCL and its connection by or with Hammond Motor Coach. > > Don L. > >